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 Post subject: Gun boats
PostPosted: 19 Aug 2009 21:17 
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the gun boats maint is far too high for a speed boat with torps. maybe make it a Squadron of 6 or so? space based GB would be more expensive, naturally. or else have fewer GB in space?

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Chad, that was the idea. But thanks for reminding me. :AH



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"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: product description``
PostPosted: 19 Aug 2009 22:48 
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Can I have a product blurb for the players beta testing manual? say around 300 words or so. I have leeway in its size so we can go over or under if need be!

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 Post subject: Re: product description``
PostPosted: 19 Aug 2009 23:00 
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haegan2007 wrote:
Can I have a product blurb for the players beta testing manual? say around 300 words or so. I have leeway in its size so we can go over or under if need be!


Lemme see what I can come up with. :bs



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Pop calculator
PostPosted: 20 Aug 2009 18:39 
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did the pop calculator work correctly? It was hurriedly made and not tested, though if it has a problem, we should be able to fix it quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 21 Jan 2013 18:08 
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While waiting for Haegan to finish the DSA! program, along with the silence of this board, I have begun to rework the rules to the base BTS! game.

First up is a massive reworking of the Unit Training Rules, to reflect reality just a bit more.

Reworked the Ground Training rules.
Added Base Unit Training times.
Added Equipment Manufactories.

Still need to formulate equipment costs.

Up next, once Haegan has had a chance to see the update is the Air Training Rules.

This post is more for a log of what I have done. Since I figure everybody but Haegan has jumped ship.



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 21 Jan 2013 18:13 
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Added the following Cap to the Ground Unit Training Doc:

+1 Unit Training



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2013 00:29 
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I read through the Army rules. As it is really late i will reread them again on the morrow and look for examples and see how they match up with my reading of the rules.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2013 00:42 
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haegan2007 wrote:
I read through the Army rules. As it is really late i will reread them again on the morrow and look for examples and see how they match up with my reading of the rules.


I eagerly await your input. :AH



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2013 12:05 
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Added the following items to the Forts & Facs Doc:

Armory

Headquarters Manufactory

Small Arms Manufactory

Cavalry Manufactory

Infantry Basic Training Depot



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Benno the Mad Wrote:
man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 22 Jan 2013 18:11 
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Added to the Forts & Facs Doc:

Equipment BE cost and time to produce.

Finished updating all Equipment Manufactories to reflect the new training rules.



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2013 14:58 
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Added the following Facs to the Forts & Facs Doc:

Planetary Drive Manufactory

System Drive Manufactory

Faster Than Light Drive Manufactory



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2013 16:11 
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Updated all of the Yard types to reflect the new training Rules.

After updating the Yards I came to the conclusion I would have to remove Submersible as a Cap, and actually create Sub type.

Removed Submersible as a Cap.

Added the Following Units to the Naval Doc:

Submersible

Submarine

Hunter-Killer

Boomer



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2013 19:37 
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Formulated the costs for the following:

Planetary Drive

System Drive

FTL Drive

Finished formulating the costs for all Naval Unit Types.



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2013 20:46 
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What came to change your mind for this?

Þórgrímr wrote:
Updated all of the Yard types to reflect the new training Rules.

After updating the Yards I came to the conclusion I would have to remove Submersible as a Cap, and actually create Sub type.

Removed Submersible as a Cap.

Added the Following Units to the Naval Doc:

Submersible

Submarine

Hunter-Killer

Boomer



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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 23 Jan 2013 21:18 
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haegan2007 wrote:
What came to change your mind for this?


Just being a cap you cannot calculate the cost to build a sub, without it actually existing. So I created the types you now see, and removed the cap. :AH



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 24 Jan 2013 15:56 
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After redoing the Costs for Ships I cam to the conclusion that Space and Star Ships will need to be their own classes of ships, and not just a Cap. Ah well, small changes can have major reactions.

Will add the following Units to the Naval Doc:

Freighter (Space)
Super Freighter (Space)
Mega-Freighter (Space)
Star Freighter
Super Star Freighter
Mega-Star Freighter
Gunboat Squadron (Space)
Frigate (Space)
Destroyer (Space)
Light Cruiser (Space)
Heavy Cruiser (Space)
Gunboat (Space) Tender
Stealth (Space) Tender
Light Stealth (Space)
Stealth (Space)
Stealth Hunter-Killer (Space)
Escort (Space) Carrier
Light (Space) Carrier
Star Frigate
Star Destroyer
Star Light Cruiser
Star Heavy Cruiser
Gunboat Star Tender
Stealth Star Tender
Star Stealth Hunter-Killer
Escort Star Carrier
Light Star Carrier
Battleship (Space)
Heavy Gunboat (Space) Tender
Heavy Stealth (Space) Tender
Boomer (Space)
Dreadnought (Space)
Fleet (Space) Carrier
Assault (Space) Carrier
Star Battleship
Heavy Gunboat Star Tender
Heavy Stealth Star Tender
Star Boomer
Star Dreadnought
Fleet Star Carrier
Assault Star Carrier



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2013 18:04 
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Finally finished adding all of the new ships and updating the Naval Doc.

Below is an example of how Naval Construction and Training will go.

The Terran player determines he needs a freighter with a larger than normal cargo capacity. So the player begins to design a freighter to the specs he needs. First he decides to use the Super Freighter as the base template. He knows it can carry 10 times the normal cargo capacity of a same tech regular freighter, which at Eng Tech level 7 is 10,000 TEU's. So the base template of his design has a cargo capacity of 10,000 TEU's. However, this is not enough for his plans so he adds a +1 Cargo cap to his design and decides to add a Regular Diesel engine to power his design.

The Super Freighter has a base cost of 40 WUs and 8 IUUs and size 4 per freighter, but since the player has added a +1 Cargo Cap along with an engine he has already produced, it has a new base cost of 42 WUs and 10 IUUs that he multiplies by 4 for a final cost of 168 WUs and 40 IUUs. The player then assigns it to a Ship Yard that has a slipway with the capacity to construct it. The Construction time for the new Super Freighter is 16 weeks, with a cargo capacity of 15,000 TEU's.

Now the Player must now determine the cost and how long it will take to train crew for the new ship. The cost to train a crew for a Super Freighter is as follows; 10 WUs and 1 Manpower BE. The Base Ship Class Training time for a Super Freighter is 6 weeks, and the eng TL is 7/2 = 4, and the +1 Cargo Cap adds 3 weeks. So the time needed to Train the Ship's Crew is 6+4+3=13 weeks. The Final Talley is 10 WUs, 1 Manpower BE, and 13 weeks to train the crew.

His Super Freighter Class template would look like the following:

Super Freighter: 15,000TEU - Texaco Class
168wu/40iuu/ 16 wks prod time
Industrial Upkeep: 0.1, Wealth Upkeep: 0.1, Fuel Upkeep: 0.1
AR 0/0 DR 0/1 AM 0/1 4 PP
TL 7, +1 Cargo Capacity, +1 Regular Diesel Engine



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2013 18:09 
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Also, I forgot to mention that I added the new Unit experience table and modifiers chart to the Army and Navy Docs.



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2013 18:53 
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Here are two examples of the New Construction and Training Routine For Army Units:

The Terran player determines that he needs more Equipment Points to train more Mechanized Infantry Battalions. So the player begins to build the equipment he needs. A Mechanized Infantry Battalion uses Infantry Fighting Vehicles as the equipment. Although IFV's are a bit more expensive than APC's, their increased combat capabilities makes them more than just the battle taxi's that APC's are for a Motorized Infantry Battalion. The player knows the cost is 55 WU's and 5 IUU's per equipment point for IFV's. However, this is not enough for his plans so he adds a +1 Anti-Tank Weapons Cap (TOW ATGM) to his design. So each IFV Equipment Point with the +1 Anti-Tank Weapons Cap has a cost of 57 WU’s, an IUU cost of 7, and a construction time of 18 weeks.

The player now determines he wants to train a Mechanized Infantry Battalion. He begins by finding the Mechanized Infantry training time in the above list, which is 18 weeks. Then the player divides his Eng Tech level by two, rounded up, which ends up as 4. Then he adds 3 weeks for the +1 Anti-Tank Weapons cap. The time needed for training is 25 weeks. The cost to train the new Battalion is 10 WU's, .5 of an Active, or Reservist Manpower BE, and 1 Equipment Point of IFV's from the Manpower and Equipment Pools. He then assigns it to the 43rd Mechanized Infantry Training Battalion, which has a training slot remaining to be able train the new unit. His Unit Control Sheet would look like the following:

Mechanized Infantry Battalion
10wu/7iuu/.5 A BE/1 IFV EP/Bn
AR 4/5 - DR 4/5 AM 3/3
Industrial Upkeep: .1, Wealth Upkeep: .1, Fuel Upkeep: .1
TL7 +1 Anti-Tank Weapons (TOW ATGM)



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2013 19:50 
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So, ahem. What xp do they get for being able to successfully draw their swords and (more importantly) being able to sheath them without serious blood loss?


Þórgrímr wrote:
Also, I forgot to mention that I added the new Unit experience table and modifiers chart to the Army and Navy Docs.



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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
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haegan2007 wrote:
So, ahem. What xp do they get for being able to successfully draw their swords and (more importantly) being able to sheath them without serious blood loss?


Umm, the ability to not auto commit Hari Kari when drawing their swords. :w



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


"Gone now, dispersed by the brutal destruction of this one day, was the belief that the Darkman and his army of the dead were so superior as to be invincible. By attempting to destroy the morale of the Marines, the Darkman had restored it to full vigor. Dia De La Muerto had failed in its objectives."
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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
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So we are using half a BE now? Or am I misreading. I suspect that when I look through your current changes all will be made clear!

I do admit I like the ability to store units equipment in an Armory. Have you worked out how much stored equipment will cost in starting PP when making a Nation? Also, a player may want to start off with several pretrained BE for a particular unit template.


Þórgrímr wrote:
Here are two examples of the New Construction and Training Routine For Army Units:

The Terran player determines that he needs more Equipment BE's to train more Mechanized Infantry Battalions. So the player begins to build the equipment he needs. First, he decides to use Infantry Fighting Vehicles as the equipment. Although IFV's are a bit more expensive than APC's, their increased combat capabilities makes them more than just battle taxi's. He knows the cost is 55 WU's and 5 IUU's per equipment point. However, this is not enough for his plans so he adds a +1 Anti-Tank Weapons Cap (TOW ATGM) to his design. So each IFV Equipment Point with the +1 Cap has a cost of 57 WU’s and an IUU cost of 7 and a construction time of 18 weeks.

The player now determines he wants to train a Mechanized Infantry Battalion with IFV's. He begins by finding the Mechanized Infantry training time in the above list, which is 18 weeks. Then the player divides his Eng Tech level by two, rounded up, which ends up as 4. Then he adds 3 weeks for the +1 Anti-Tank Weapons cap. The time needed for training is 25 weeks.

The cost to train the new Battalion is 10 WU's, .5 of an Active, or Reservist Manpower BE, and 1 Equipment Point of IFV's from the Manpower and Equipment Pools, and he assigns it to the 43rd Mechanized Infantry Training Battalion, which has a training slot remaining to be able train the new unit. His Unit Control Sheet would look like the following:

Mechanized Infantry Battalion
10wu/7iuu/.5 A BE/1 IFV EP/Bn
AR 4/5 - DR 4/5
Industrial Upkeep: .1, Wealth Upkeep: .1, Fuel Upkeep: .1
TL7 +1 Anti-Tank Weapons (TOW ATGM)

As an addendum, equipment can be stored once produced, in the new Armory Fac.



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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2013 20:13 
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haegan2007 wrote:
So we are using half a BE now? Or am I misreading. I suspect that when I look through your current changes all will be made clear!

I do admit I like the ability to store units equipment in an Armory. Have you worked out how much stored equipment will cost in starting PP when making a Nation? Also, a player may want to start off with several pretrained BE for a particular unit template.


Yep. A lot of Bn's around the world today are right around 500 to 700 men. However, each Manpower BE is equal to 1000 men. But, do not worry, if you wish to make larger Bn's, you can. That part of the Unit creation rules has not changed. You can still add Manpower if you wish. :AH

Each Armory can hold 100 TEU's. You remember me telling you of the new unit of measurement? Well, it now makes its debut! Each TEU = 600 CC's from the old style. But with a 20 foot equivalent unit of measurement I can now calc out a proper transport cost that can be based on volume, as well as weight.

Just like anything else in Power creation, each Equipment Point will cost it's size in NP's. So if a player wishes to buy 10 MBT equipment points it would cost 10 NP's. Conversely, if he wanted to buy a Battleship, it would cost him 5 NP's. :AH



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man, you gotta realise that thor and bos fell out of the patriot tree (like the ugly tree, but instills patriotism instead of ugly) and hit every branch on the way down.


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 Post subject: Re: Rules Discussion
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Okay, missiles need to be thought about in BTS. We have ships that can carry them and rules for making them, but aircraft evidently have infinite missiles!

The aircraft would need to be redesigned for missile use. So a weapons cap on a plane would only effect its guns, so its distance damage would be a zero. It would require missiles for damage. Perhaps a missile salvo cap? Or even give a squadron a DP rating for its missiles?

Essentially, we turn the aircraft into a sub for damage dealing purposes. The sub requires torps/missiles to deal its damage.

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